Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Buffy and Angel Episode Viewing Order

Do you want to watch the interconnected TV shows Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel side by side, but you are not sure the best order to view them in to best take advantage of their many crossover stories and joint continuity? You are not alone. Noticing the lack of a definitive and spoiler-free episode viewing guide, we took the task upon ourselves to create one.

Bookmark this article and return regularly to help you determine the best order to watch every episode of Buffy and Angel. If you notice ways to improve our list, then please write a comment below explaining the change you recommend and why. If we agree with your reasoning, then we will update the viewing guide. Whenever a conflict arises in our list between emphasizing dramatic impact of the two show's parallel stories and strict observance of timeline continuity, we lean toward whatever improves the dramatic flow between them.
Joss Whedon exceeded audience expectations when he created the smart, ambitious, and heavily serialized drama/horror/comedy/fantasy hybrid: Buffy the Vampire Slayer (1997-2003). Although a feature film of the same title in 1992 was based loosely on his original screenplay, Joss was not satisfied with the translation of his story to the big screen. Joss elegantly transitioned his high-school-cheerleader-turned-vampire-slayer to the small screen by focusing on characterization, making a far funnier and more entertaining TV series than anyone thought possible.
By the end of its third season, Buffy grew so popular that Joss Whedon created a rare spinoff series that actually played concurrently with the original series. Most spinoffs are developed to follow a popular character once the original TV series ends, like Frasier (1993-2004) returning home to Seattle after leaving his favorite bar in Boston behind him on Cheers (1982-1993), or Joey (2004) moving to Hollywood to pursue his acting career at the end of Friends (1994-2004). But Joss created Angel (1999-2004) at the height of Buffy's popularity, and ran the two shows side by side as equals throughout the remainder of their respective runs.
Today's viewers are fortunate to have easy access to both TV shows in their entirety on Netflix Instant Watching and DVD, with the opportunity to watch all 254 episodes of quality programming at their leisure. But in spite of our convenient access to these two brilliantly interconnected shows, anyone who attempts to watch Buffy and Angel side by side will encounter continuity problems in a conventional viewing schedule.
Many episodes from the two shows either aired out of chronological order of each other's respective plot lines, or simply aired on slightly divergent timetables. At one point, the two shows began to air on completely separate networks, further complicating any attempts at nailing their joint continuity. And on occasion, one episode of one series will expand on a single day for several episodes while the other series jumps over more time.
Because of these issues, most people view Buffy and Angel less than ideally, making the crossover story lines between the two shows confusing to follow at times. But more important than potential confusion is how distracting it is when you encounter a major timeline discrepancy. It pulls you out of the show every time your brain recognizes that something being referenced to in one show either happened a long time ago in the other, or even has not happened yet, spoiling you unintentionally. We intend to correct that problem once and for all with this simple and useful viewing guide.
Although we believe these two TV shows are best viewed side by side, some viewers prefer watching long stretches of one show before switching back to the other. Episodes highlighted in red are the most important ones to view in the order we specify. Make sure you are caught up on both TV series before viewing the red episodes.
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BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
ANGEL
Buffy Season 1
1. Welcome to the Hellmouth
2. The Harvest
3. Witch
4. Teacher's Pet
5. Never Kill a Boy on the First Date
6. The Pack
7. Angel
8. I Robot, You Jane
9. The Puppet Show
10. Nightmares
11. Out of Mind, Out of Sight
12. Prophecy Girl
Buffy Season 2
13. When She Was Bad
14. Some Assembly Required
15. School Hard
16. Inca Mummy Girl
17. Reptile Boy
18. Halloween
19. Lie to Me
20. The Dark Age
21. What's My Line, Part One
22. What's My Line, Part Two
23. Ted
24. Bad Eggs
25. Surprise
26. Innocence
27. Phases
28. Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered
29. Passion
30. Killed by Death
31. I Only Have Eyes for You
32. Go Fish
33. Becoming, Part One
34. Becoming, Part Two
Buffy Season 3
35. Anne
36. Dead Man's Party
37. Faith, Hope & Trick
38. Beauty and the Beasts
39. Homecoming
40. Band Candy
41. Revelations
42. 8 Lovers Walk
43. The Wish
44. Amends
45. Gingerbread
46. Helpless
47. The Zeppo
48. Bad Girls
49. Consequences
50. Doppelgängland
51. Enemies
52. Earshot
53. Choices
54. The Prom
55. Graduation Day, Part One
56. Graduation Day, Part Two
Buffy Season 4 Angel Season 1
57. The Freshman
58. City of...
59. Living Conditions
60. Lonely Hearts
61. The Harsh Light of Day
62. In the Dark
63. Fear, Itself
64. I Fall to Pieces
65. Beer Bad
66. Rm w/a Vu
67. Wild at Heart
68. Sense & Sensitivity
69. The Initiative
70. Bachelor Party
71. Pangs
72. I Will Remember You
73. Something Blue
74. Hero
75. Hush
76. Doomed
77. Parting Gifts

78. Somnambulist
79. A New Man
80. Expecting
81. She
82. The I in Team

83. Goodbye Iowa
84. I've Got You Under My Skin
85. The Prodigal
86. This Year's Girl
87. Who Are You
88. The Ring
89. Superstar
90. Eternity
91. Where the Wild Things Are
92. New Moon Rising
93. Five by Five
94. Sanctuary
95. The Yoko Factor
96. Primeval
97. Restless
98. War Zone
99. Blind Date
100. To Shanshu in L.A.
Buffy Season 5 Angel Season 2
101. Judgment
102. Buffy vs. Dracula
103. Are You Now or Have You Ever Been
104. Real Me
105. First Impressions
106. The Replacement
107. Untouched
108. Out of My Mind
109. Dear Boy
110. No Place Like Home
111. Guise Will Be Guise
112. Family
113. Darla
114. Fool for Love
115. The Shroud of Rahmon
116. Shadow
117. The Trial
118. Listening to Fear
119. Reunion
120. Into the Woods
121. Redefinition
122. Triangle
123. Blood Money
124. Checkpoint
125. Happy Anniversary
126. Blood Ties
127. The Thin Dead Line
128. Crush
129. Reprise
130. I Was Made to Love You
131. Epiphany
132. The Body
133. Disharmony
134. Forever
135. Dead End
136. Intervention
137. Belonging
138. Over the Rainbow
139. Tough Love
140. Spiral
141. Through the Looking Glass
142. The Weight of the World
143. The Gift


144. There's No Place Like Plrtz Glrb
Buffy Season 6 Angel Season 3
145. Heartthrob
146. That Vision Thing
147. Bargaining, Part One
148. Bargaining, Part Two
149. That Old Gang of Mine
150. After Life
151. Carpe Noctem
152. Flooded
153. Fredless
154. Life Serial
155. Billy
156. All the Way
157. Offspring
158. Once More, with Feeling
159. Quickening
160. Tabula Rasa
161. Lullaby
162. Smashed
163. Wrecked
164. Dad
165. Gone
166. Birthday
167. Provider
168. Doublemeat Palace
169. Waiting in the Wings
170. Dead Things
171. Older and Far Away
172. Couplet
173. Loyalty
174. As You Were
175. Sleep Tight
176. Hell's Bells
177. Normal Again
178. Forgiving
179. Double or Nothing
180. The Price
181. Entropy
182. A New World
183. Seeing Red
184. Benediction
185. Villains
186. Tomorrow
187. Two to Go
188. Grave
Buffy Season 7 Angel Season 4
189. Lessons
190. Beneath You
191. Deep Down
192. Same Time, Same Place
193. Ground State
194. Help
195. The House Always Wins
196. Selfless
197. Slouching Toward Bethlehem
198. Supersymmetry
199. Him
200. Spin the Bottle
201. Conversations with Dead People
202. Apocalypse, Nowish
203. Sleeper
204. Never Leave Me
205. Bring on the Night
206. Showtime
207. Habeas Corpses
208. Potential
209. Long Day's Journey
210. Awakening
211. The Killer in Me
212. Soulless
213. First Date
214. Calvary
215. Get It Done
216. Storyteller
217. Salvage
218. Release
219. Lies My Parents Told Me
220. Orpheus
221. Players
222. Inside Out
223. Shiny Happy People
224. Dirty Girls
225. The Magic Bullet
226. Sacrifice
227. Empty Places
228. Peace Out
229. Touched
230. Home
231. End of Days
232. Chosen
Angel Season 5
233. Conviction
234. Just Rewards
235. Unleashed
236. Hell Bound
237. Life of the Party
238. The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco
239. Lineage
240. Destiny
241. Harm's Way
242. Soul Purpose
243. Damage
244. You're Welcome
245. Why We Fight
246. Smile Time
247. A Hole in the World
248. Shells
249. Underneath
250. Origin
251. Time Bomb
252. The Girl in Question
253. Power Play
254. Not Fade Away
# of Buffy Episodes # of Angel Episodes
144 110

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125 comments:

  1. Using this guide now to watch Angel and Buffy in order as I've never done that before It has worked pretty well so far but Episode 128 of Buffy:"Crush" should be red, as it reveals significant plot developments of Angel and Angel should be fully caught up before watching "Crush"

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  2. You have it so the last 3 episodes of Season 4 of Buffy should be watched together, and then the last 3 of Angel S1 all watched at once. In Angel 1:21, Cordelia makes a reference to a plot element in Buffy when talking to Willow. Something that is happening in Sunnydale at the same time. Should the last 3 episodes of the seasons be mixed as well? It sort of throws it off considering you finish Buffy first, but then hear Cordelia talk to Willow about something that is already done and over with

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    1. I believe the emotional resonance of those Buffy episodes takes precedence over strict chronology concerns of intercutting. Since the Angel episode that follows takes place over a more spread out time period, this is the best way to view them without throwing off the dramatic arc of Buffy's final episodes.

      I feel it's just a slight aside given by Cordelia, which is just enough to help establish that the two story arcs do take place over parallel time frames, but is not significant enough to interrupt the dramatic tension on the single night of Buffy's life.

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  3. darla works better after fool for love i feel, as it reveals another side to the boxer rebellion that people may not pick up on in fool for love

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    1. I disagree, I think "Fool for Love" (Buffy, 5.7) should be seen BEFORE "Darla" (Angel, 2.7)... Otherwise the bit with Spike and Drusilla in "Darla" doesn't make as much sense. Seeing Spike's part of the story first, so we see his viciousness and his kill of the slayer before hearing Darla talk about it makes a bigger impact.

      All opinions, of course! But there's mine.

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    2. This will likely be the most controversial decision I make on this list since "Fool for Love" aired before "Darla" on the night of their premiere broadcasts. And many people are passionate about maintaining that viewing order when rewatching them.

      But having seen these episodes several times in both the original airing order and in my preferred order on the list above, I stick by my guns that the dramatic build up of "Darla" flows so perfectly into the rising action and climax of "Fool for Love" that I never want to watch them in their original viewing order again. This new order feels like it was destined to be, and I cannot ignore that feeling.

      I understand if you disagree, but please give it a shot and at least once I recommend you try watching "Darla" first, then follow it directly by "Fool for Love."

      These two episodes together in that order makes the whole experience feel much more like a feature film presentation that could stand alone and be watched by modern audiences as an amazing movie, even if they never had watched a Buffy of Angel episode before.

      Over the years, my unique pairing of these two brilliant episodes in this new viewing order has easily grown into my favorite dramatic presentation from the entire run of Buffy and Angel. Therefore, I cannot acquiesce to change them back to their original viewing order. The dramatic payoff of ending the story with Spike approaching Buffy at the end of the episode is too perfect for me to regress back the original order.

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    3. I couldn't agree more. I watched it in your order, and it was perfect. The emotional impact of the ending was much greater than the Angel ending. I also liked the rebellion part better when the added depth of Angel's struggle was evident, as I had already seen that part. It is a wonder they didn't put them together like this from the start.

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    4. I think it works better with the reveal that Angel has his soul instead of knowing it from the beginning. We're experiencing the story from Spike's point of view, so it seems like Angel is insecure with his spot given that Spike killed a Slayer. When you see it from Angel's POV, you realize that he's not insecure, he's mortified by the death and destruction.

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  4. I'm doing a Buffython right now and I'm following your order. Two things that I feel should be noted.

    1) Hush and Doomed should be back to back since there is continuous action between those episodes. Hero and Parting Gifts can go back to back to compensate.

    2) I know this one will be unpopular, but I think City Of should go BEFORE The Freshman. City Of is more of a sequel to Graduation than The Freshman is. Also, Angel's phone call takes place at the end of City Of, while Buffy receiving it is in the middle of The Freshman (thus Angel's story happens first). Finally, The Freshman doesn't remotely discuss the absence of Cordelia, whereas City Of answers the question before it becomes confusing. (Order then becomes City Of, The Freshman, Living Conditions, Lonely Hearts)

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    1. I don't really agree with Point 1. Hush was the mid-season finale, and had a strong conclusion. I think the amount of lapsed time, at least in terms of an Angel episode, gives the opening of "Doomed" an even bigger impact. Like they've been sitting there for that much longer.

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    2. Matt, you make some valid points and I originally took your view on the subject, but on my latest viewing I watched "Hush" and "Doomed" side by side as Trad and many others recommended and I actually enjoyed them both better when paired that way. They dramatically flow into each other very well as a single long episode.

      However, one area I disagree with Trad about is his suggestion that I move up "Hero" after the two Buffy episodes. In my opinion, it works much better to have the tragic ending of "Hero," then two episodes of Buffy to watch before returning back to Angel with "Parting Gifts" to help us feel better the passage of time after the death of a major character. It usually felt a little rushed in conventional viewings, but this new way actually feels more appropriate.

      Also, I appreciate Trad's second point, but I differ with his opinion. I tried watching it his way, and I still prefer going with Buffy's "Freshman" and then Angel's "City of."

      I feel Buffy has always been the emotional anchor of this narrative universe. And it is important for the audience to experience her loneliness and despair start to give way to her starting a new Angel-less life for herself before we see Angel.

      Buffy's intro helps set up Angel's solitary existence in Los Angeles as that much more tragic and logical given his love for her. When the episodes are reversed, Angel's own pain is a little more difficult to process and therefore his actions in that episode feel more out of character for him than they would otherwise.

      Some of Angel's behavior in the premiere tends to come across more random and petulant than it really should unless you see Buffy first. But when viewed in context of his sacrifice to let Buffy move on with a slightly more normal life, a life he can have nothing to do with, then Angel's behavior makes much more sense and he is becomes that much more sympathetic.

      Also, the phone call to Buffy is easier to understand for the audience if you see Buffy answering a random call first, then later seeing Angel placing it and being unable to speak. It also adds more weight to the moment, as the writers originally intended.

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  5. In "salvage" Faith is attacked with a bringers knife, so I think that episode should be red as well since you have to know about the First from Buffy to understand the significance.

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    1. Done. I fully agree. The Bringer's knife is a significant crossover moment that should be prefaced by its introduction in Buffy.

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    2. Upon further advice and re-viewing of those particular episodes, that episode in particular doesn't need to be red since the red episodes after it denote the need to have seen the Bringer's Knife in the previous non-red episode anyway. Dramatically, the episodes don't need to be seen immediately together.

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  6. I just wanted to say how thrilled I am to see this! I've watched Buffy through a few times but never watched Angel. When I finally decided to, I figured it was a good excuse to watch Buffy again as well. As I got to the point where Angel began I wished I knew what order to watch them, and here it is!! Thanks so much for your work.

    I do agree with Trad that Doomed should immediately follow Hush simply because it follows moments later, but it's not game breaking if you watch it differently.

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    1. Thank you Erin and I agree. The list was changed to reflect your suggestion.

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  7. I think "Happy Anniversary" (Angel, 2.13) and "Thin Dead Line" (Angel, 2.14) should be grouped together, then "Crush" (Buffy, 5.14).

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    1. I like it as is right now. To me, a Buffy episode in between those two Angel eps help to maintain the illusion of a long passage of time of Angel being separated from his usual cohorts.

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  8. I am doing an extensive re-edit of the list this week, and I will be taking into consideration all your comments and advice. If I don't follow through on anyone's advice, I'll reply specifically to their comment to explain why. Thanks everyone for your help. Together we can make this the tightest viewing order possible for the two shows.

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  9. Thanks for the list, I am rewatching Angel and Buffy and really appreciate the time and effort taken to produce this.

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    1. You're welcome Maisy, and it is my pleasure. Thank you for your kind remark. Nice Buffy and Angel fans like you make this all worth doing ;)

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  10. I don't think that 216. Storyteller 217. Salvage 218. Release should be highlighted in red as there was no crossovers

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    1. This is a tricky area of the viewing order guide that I will be scrutinizing and refining this weekend. But the bringer's knife established in Storyteller does show up again in the hands of Faith's attacker in Salvage, so they are tentatively red episodes to help preserve some of that chronology.

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    2. Ok, I'm leaning with your thinking since the red episodes should be in episodes where the strict chronology is vital. And as long as you learn of the Bringer's knife before the run of red episodes, it serves the same purpose. You're right.

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  11. Might be better to watch 139 (Spiral), 141 (The Weight of the World), and 143 (The Gift) in a row, then 140 (Over the Rainbow), 142 (Through the Looking Glass), and 144 (There's No Place Like Plrtz Glrb) in a row, since 140, 142, and 144 are all kinda "To Be Continued" episodes. This way you can watch them together, and still get the crossover between 143 and 144 to line up.

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    1. I decided to switch around the episodes slightly from their previous order to give both shows a little more breathing room, but I do not want to lose the interconnected vibe of these two stories like many other viewing orders do when showing them entirely on their own.

      I will admit, given the constraints of the two show's narrative structures at that particular point in time, we cannot perfectly line up the episodes without some chronological inconsistencies. So as usual, I decided to lean in the direction of dramatic resonance, and place them in the order that feels the most right.

      I am still open to suggestions here. But this is a particularly difficult patch of episodes to harmonize without disrupting the dramatic tension. So far, as of this date, the new placement of these episodes is the best way I can see of contrasting their parallel story lines, ratcheting up the tension, and letting the punches to the gut take their maximum effect.

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  12. This is a great list! As a first time viewer (and, consequently, avid fan) this is really appreciated!

    However, I became slightly confused during Blind Date (99) since Cordelia is on the phone to Willow saying that she has been cracking codes as well, which occured beforehand in The Yoko Factor and Primeval (95 and 96). I'm therefore thinking that perhaps War Zone and Blind Date (98 and 99) should be viewed after Primeval (96) and before Restless (97).

    I would forgive you for disagreeing since this is an extremely minor point and this is only my first time viewing :)

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    1. I personally think its enough that the audience can piece it together while watching the later Angel episode that part of it is concurrent with the previous Buffy story line. I do not want to interrupt the chronology of that humongous night for Buffy, particularly because much of that Angel episode in fact takes place the next day anyway.

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    2. I agree with Michael on this one. Besides, Willow is always cracking codes.

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  13. i've been rewatching Buffy and Angel, in the right order with the help of your list for the first time and i have to say i love it! i'm currently just about to watch To Shanshu In LA but so far i haven't seen any problems with the order and i feel you're right about the call between Willow and Cordelia being minor, and that the Buffy episodes should run concurrently. thank you for your hard work :-) xx

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    1. Thank you Nathalie, I appreciate your kind remark. I created a fan edit of all of Angel's flashbacks and put them into a single epic feature-length movie called, "ANGELUS." I would enjoy your feedback on it. It can be found here: https://vimeo.com/102798970

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  14. I'm so glad you made this list. I otherwise would not have thought to watch it in any other order than air date.

    I made a Google Spreadsheet of your list to better keep track of the episodes I've watched and I thought I should share it with you. You just need to save a new copy to edit it. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MVZOYkEdYvGqbM5lsbS40Q-1rFd18JFsRWCnzYzlpEQ/edit?usp=sharing

    Thanks for all your effort in making this list!

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  15. This list is awesome. Doing the Netflix thing right now.

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    1. But I really do appreciate you making this list, I've watched both shows separately and I finally decided to watch them side by side and this list has made the experience so much better!

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  17. i'm doing a Buffy marathon at the moment and i intended to watch Angel at the end of series 3.
    This article articulated my thoughts precisely, and the comments will no doubt help me fine-tune the viewing order in time for the next marathon (straight after 9 seasons of Supernatural!)
    Thanks

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    1. Excellent, let us know how it goes MantridDrone.

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  18. Currently working through this list: just finished Angel Series 1 Episode 11 (Somnambulist) & sticking to your guide for both shows. It's working well and am enjoying the flipping between the two :D

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  19. I think that the I in Team and Goodbye Iowa should go together

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    1. I agree with this! We've been doing a marathon and following this order and so far been pleased as punch with it, but we just watched that section of episodes and afterwards I said to my husband that I felt like The I in Team and Goodbye Iowa should have been together.

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    2. I agree with both of you Gio and Lilith, and the viewing order will group those two episodes together. Stopping for an Angel episode between those two Buffy episodes does interrupt its suspense and dramatic tension too much.

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  20. This is a great list, although there are a few changes I would make. For instance, I would keep the entire Pylea arc together, as well as watching Afterlife right after Bargaining parts 1 and 2.

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  21. I think it works better if you watch I Was Made to Love You, The Body, and Forever together. Watching Disharmony in between them takes away from Buffy. You could watch Reprise and Epiphany together before to make up some of the time.

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    1. Reprise and Epiphany comes before Forever. Angel has his epiphany before he visits Buffy after Joyce's death.

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    2. First off, I'd like to say that this list is awesome, so thank you for putting it together and maintaining it. And this is coming from someone who is into a third or fourth rewatching of everything, but the first time using this list....and loving it btw.

      Anyway, I'd like to suggest keeping Reprise and Epiphany together, as they really flow into each other as almost like a two-part episode. You could compensate by watching I Was Made To Love You and The Body back to back, which I think works because of the little coda at the end of IWMTLY that leads directly into The Body. I really think that viewing things in this manner would keep the emotions running higher throughout this whole stretch of episodes.

      Thanks!

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  22. Great list! This has been wicked fun so far!

    My only suggestion is to put the Angel season two episodes The Trail and Reunion together. The reveal at the end of The Trial really drives the momentum of Reunion (which is already such a great episode on it's own). Jumping back to Buffy for Listening to Fear and the whole alien storyline kind of dulls the intensity of the two Angel episodes.

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  23. Mostly agree with this list. But I don't really like your "every-other-episode"-listing in Season 5 Buffy/Season 2 Angel. It cuts the suspense in weird places. For instance, "Family" should come straight after "No Place Like Home", as it starts the very same night, right after Buffy has returned from the factory. Especially after such an emotional and crucial revelation. While the Angel episode in between can be watched after "Family" and just before Darla, that also works out well considering much of it is about Angel's obsession with her (I might even be inclined to think "Dear Boy", "Guise Will Be Guise" and "Darla" should be watched straight after each other, as the two firstly mentioned sortly build up to "Darla"). I generally prefer watching long stretches of one series before I switch to the other, though, or the story gets too fragmented IMO, so I guess that's my main problem with that list (although the s4 Buffy/s1 Angel-list was great).

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    1. Great point, though I still prefer to watch Fool for Love before Darla.

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    2. I agree! I had posted my suggested order for trying to keep the drama of each series together and still watch the linked episodes in order, but my list has disappeared from this site. You can see it here: http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Viewing_order_suggestion_for_Buffy_and_Angel

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  24. That list is really badly flawed.

    Darla before Fool for Love is a crime that completely screws up the whole point of the crossover during the Boxer Rebellion and why it was written that way! In Fool for Love, you're supposed to be confused why "Angelus" is with the Fanged Four in 1900, only to find out that this is indeed Angel with a soul and his reaction to Spike is not him being outdone, but rather horrified by Spike killing a Slayer, along with what Drusilla is sensing in the alley behind Angel (and only hinted at in Fool for Love).

    And the end of season 4 is also totally wrong, as it ignores one of the crossovers between Cordy and Willow.

    Reprise/Epiphany also have to be watched prior to I Was Made to Love You/The Body/Forever (and then you return to another string of AtS episodes). Gosh this list is a mess!

    Please don't use this list. Or at least ignore those portions of it.

    The actual order if you mapped out which scenes happen on the same days and which are connected right after the next roughly occurs like this (lots of overlap days--and see below about War Zone):
    Five by Five / Sanctuary / War Zone / The Yoko Factor / Primeval / Blind Date / To Shanshu in L.A. / Restless

    Restless takes place well after To Shanshu in L.A. and is not directly connected to Primeval in a timeline sense.

    Interestingly, it is actually impossible for War Zone to take place between Sanctuary and Blind Date and have it make any sense with the timeline concerning Angel's appearance in The Yoko Factor (these episodes happen explicitly within a few days). It had to have taken place prior to Five by Five (not an issue at all in regards to the actual content of events). Though, obviously, one wouldn't watch it that way. You'd need there to be five days before Buffy returns to Sunnydale in the same clothes for that to work. Yeah, meeting Gunn would have to take place prior to Faith.

    Oz's full moon days also do funny things to the timeline. The moon situation concerning Halloween/Thanksgiving 1999 will make your head hurt if you actually looked at a calendar, though it is possible to make it work with a bit of out-of-order scene placement (Wild at Heart, except for the last scene with Oz leaving, would have to take place prior to Fear, Itself)!

    Also, Buffy's birthday would have to be on January 21 (the only date that remotely works), not January 19, if you don't want the Scoobies going to school on the weekends or MLK, Jr. Day. LOL.

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    3. "Restless takes place well after To Shanshu in L.A. and is not directly connected to Primeval in a timeline sense."
      How do you figure? The episode occurs the same night as episode 4x21.

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    4. Nile, whatever the writer's original intent, "Darla ---> Fool for Love" is dramatically the strongest way to watch the episodes. Period. I've watched them in both orders multiple times and nothing is as strong as ending on Spike with a shotgun at the patio. Period. I will not change it. You are free to make your own viewing order list and have equally insensitive trolls pollute your comment section.

      If you seriously think that a momentary twist clarifying Angel's conversation with Spike during the Boxer Rebellion is sufficient justification to ignore a far superior and richer entertaining dramatic experience, then you are free to do so. But do not tell my readers not to use my list. Simply offer your own and give them a reason to visit your own webpage where they can in turn troll you as you've done to me. Good luck.

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  25. But it's not one big story. It's two episodes that share common elements. FFL isn't the denouement of the crossover. Nothing is resolved in either episode.

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    1. I wrote a response to your comments on "Darla" and "Fool for Love" in this article Nile and Rob: http://josswhedon.blogspot.com/2015/02/why-darla-is-better-watched-before-fool.html

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  26. I like the list, but the Fool for Love/Darla order isn't even my qualm with it. My issue is that there's often too much switching between shows when it would make more sense in certain places to continue to the next episode, either because they take place right after the previous (No Place Like Home/Family) or because a story works better dramatically if you watch a group of episodes in succession instead of switching over (Loyalty to Double or Nothing). But that's just me, I'd be interested to read your thoughts.

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    2. I agree! I have created a list that I think solves that problem. Check it out here: http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Viewing_order_suggestion_for_Buffy_and_Angel

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  27. I think Buffy's "Seeing Red" and "Villains" are way to important and should be grouped together.

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  28. Thanks for this list, I've just started watching Buffy for the first time and always like to approach things in the proper order!

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    1. While this list is generally good, there are parts of it that I disagree with. Many of these episodes should be grouped together for better effect than just switching off between series. For instance, the last 3 or 4 episodes of each season of Buffy and Angel should be watched one after the other.

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    2. I also prefer to keep the episodes of each series together as much as possible but still watch the linked ones. You can check out my order for doing just that here:
      http://buffy.wikia.com/wiki/Viewing_order_suggestion_for_Buffy_and_Angel

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  29. I'm watching the series for the first time and am so thankful for your list. One question, though - I'm using Amazon Prime and it shows an eighth Buffy season, which I haven't found on any watch lists. Can anyone tell me what that's about? I don't want to research too much to avoid spoilers!

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    1. Season 8 is the official continuation of Buffy in comic book form (followed by seasons 9 and 10).

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  30. Just wanted to thank author of this site. I'm watching Buffy again (after 5 years since previous watching) and this reading order is really helpful. Don't delete this post. Ever. :)

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  31. wish i had seen this before binging on Buffy only now im 4 episodes away from the end

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  32. wish i had seen this before binging on Buffy only now im 4 episodes away from the end

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  35. Hi Michael, I've been following your guide and got to the point where Faith first appears on Angel (93: "Five by five"). At the beginning of the episode, Angel calls Sunnydale and speaks to Giles, who tells him Faith skipped town, a week earlier (ep. 87: "Who are you").
    The thing is, I think I'd be great to watch those two episodes together. Faith leaving in the back of a truck... followed by her landing in L.A., all fresh and ready to misbehave.
    Tell me what you think!
    Cheers,
    Al.

    ps: I've just finished Five by Five, and am starting ep. 94. Maybe my reasoning has a flaw that I'm not aware of yet. If that's the case, sorry for wasting your time!

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  36. Hey Michael, first off I´d like to say I like your site. Its made viewing Btvs/Ats that much the better. After my lastest rewatching I was wondering...wouldnt watching "Buffy vs Dracula" right after "Restless" but before the last 3 Ats episodes be a better fit. Or in your opinion does the chronological order mean more then the emotional/contiuneity aspect play better. Given that they are at the end of the seasons. Me personally Ive come to think of BvsD as a season 4 finale since Dawn doesnt show up til the end.

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  37. I just wanted to echo the previous comments thanking you for this wonderful list. I actually started Buffy for the first time this summer and fell absolutely in love. I was absolutely delighted when I found this watching guide after I finished season 4 of Buffy. I then proceeded to use this list to continue my initial viewing of Buffy alongside my initial viewing of Angel. Suffice it to say it was absolutely amazing. I am basically an emotional mess, but it was amazing.

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  40. Hi, I really like this list and have been following it since I started to rewatch these series. I have a suggestion. I think that "I was made to love you" (Buffy S5E15) and "The Body" (Buffy S5E16) should be watched back to back since the end of Episode 15 leads immediately into Episode 16, as Buffy sees the body. So I suggest moving "Epiphany" (Angel S2E16) to before "I was Made to Love You".

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  44. Thanks for this list. I am currently doing a Buffy/Angel re-watch probably using a combination of DVDs and Netflix (to avoid switching discs a lot). I will follow your guide. Thanks again.

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  45. Shouldn't all of season 1,2,3 of Buffy be highlighted red cause I mean none of this will make sense if you don't watch that

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  46. If spoiler free, maybe try to not have image spoilers. Seth Green's guitarist is hanging around there like part of the team - not how it is early season 2 where I am.

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  47. I used this guide to watch the shows side-by-side for the first time and it was great. I am now doing it again, and...
    May I ask why Dirty Girls should be watched so long after Orpheus?
    Their drive back couldn't possibly take that long!

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    1. My guess is because those Angel episodes occur one after the other and it's best to watch them one after the other so as to not break up the flow of the story simply to go chronologically.

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  48. as much as I loved buffy, when angel started as a spin-off series, I liked it even better. I thought the all around writing was better, and I loved how they started bringing charactors from buffy over to angel. when season 5 started and they brought over both spike and harmony, I was so loving it, as well as fred's transformation into illuria. I was so sad when angel was cancelled at the end of season 5, because I felt as good as it was, it had room to get even better. and, they ended it on such a major cliffhanger. for years now, I have been hoping for a "buffyverse" reunion film, but it has yet to materialize and I doubt very much it ever will. maybe it will take 30+ years like they did with star wars.

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  49. has anyone tied together a timeline of tv shows, novels, short stories and comics...? I've been collecting for awhile and would like to start at the beginning and go thru everything in order

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  50. I tried watching Angel after watching Buffy and I couldn't get into it because I knew Buffy and Angel were existing in the same timeframe more or less and it was frustrating and distracting. Having this list is great. I'm actually into Angel this time around and can appreciate it so much more. Thank you.

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    1. You're welcome. And thanks for your wonderful remarks Mrs. MickG. That's in part why I started this whole project to begin with.

      I had a lot of friends who had a hard time getting into Angel, and I kept looking for a good guide to show the ideal way of integrating the two shows together.

      I kept getting annoyed by the airing order not working correctly to harmonize the two shows, so I dug deeper. I found a couple of other attempts at guides here and there, such as the excellent PotentialCast / RedemptionCast viewing order list for their respective podcasts, and a few other attempts. But I found myself disagreeing with the way the narrative flowed in even their order, so I made my own list in what I hope most people will one day find to be the most dramatically and emotionally rewarding viewing experience as possible with these two integrated shows.

      In many ways, these two shows together have been one of the most significant and amazing viewing experiences I've ever had with television--with the possible exception of Twin Peaks. At the end of the day, I wrote this guide to help people fall in love with Buffy and Angel.

      So rather than being the ignored stepchild to Buffy, Angel shines alongside her as a narrative partner that complements and comments on one another, giving the audience a far richer experience than they could ever have while viewing either show alone.

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  51. Thank you so much for this!!! It's awesome:)

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  53. Hello. Why is episode 127 red? There is absolutely nothing of significance. Why is ep 128 Crush red following 127? Shouldn't it be earlier? There were two or three Angel episodes having nothing to do with Darla or Dru before Dru shows up in Crush.

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  54. I am for the first time following your list while watching Buffy and Angel. To be honest I have only just recently bought everything on DVD and have only seen the shows in full once before (previous to that I had only seen random episodes of them on tv) and that time I watched all of Buffy first and all of Angel after. I was planning to just watch one episode of B and then switch for one episode of A and then back again but for some reason I googled for a better viewing order and found this. I am really glad I did. I have just viewed Darla and Fool for Love and I fully agree with your decision to have them in that order. The flashbacks work really great when seeing it from Angel's point of view first and then from Spike's and the episodes really seem like one really long episode when viewed in this order.

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    1. Thanks Jocke, I appreciate your support and backing me up on that episode order of Darla first, then Fool for Love second. In terms of pacing, themes, and climactic pay off, it works like a feature film thrown into the middle of both series. It's something special to experience that way.

      And thank you, Jocke. Watching Buffy and Angel in this intricately interconnected way is seriously fascinating and I agree that it adds a whole new dimension to both shows.

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    2. I just read your blog post about Darla and Fool for love, which I hadn't done before, and I must say that I agree with your every word about the viewing order. I don't agree with Rob who comments that the episodes are not dependent on each other. They most definitely are, as you point out so much better than I ever could (one reason being that English is not my first language). To first see the events from Spike's creation and the boxer rebellion from Angel's point of view and then from Spike's was a real wow moment to me.

      I don't know what order Joss Whedon intended these two episodes to be viewed in, they might have been aired in the wrong order for all I know, but I know that they definitely depend on each other and that it will be a very different experience depending on which order you watch the episodes in. I will re-watch these episodes in the reverse order too, probably when I am finished with seasons 5 and 2 respectively, to get both perspectives but I am rather certain that I will prefer having Darla first.

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    3. They aren't dependent on each other isn't the same thing as not making the viewing experience fuller. You don't need to have seen Darla to understand and get emotionally invested in Fool for Love and vice versa. Yes, it's a different viewing experience, that's not at issue, just that you don't need to have seen both episodes to understand each story.

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    4. Yes of course you can see them separately since they are from two separate but interconnected shows but if you do watch them separately they both are "just another episode", while if you watch them together they become so much more than "just two episodes". The fact that they are so closely linked to each other means that the viewing experience is multiplied several times when viewed together (and even more so if viewed in the order presented here in Michael Warren's list). Pick any two episodes you want, no possible combination will play together as well as these two. So you are right in that they are not dependent on each other in order to understand them but they are definitely dependent on each other to get the higher viewing experience that I am certain that Joss Whedon intended. You claim that "it doesn't seem like one episode at all", this is one of your claims that I don't agree with, when viewed together they do imho.

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    5. I would say that applies to both series as a whole. They are best watched together. It's like two great tastes Episodes like "Pangs" and "I Will Remember You" are closer to being one story than Darla and Fool For Love. That's a case where it's also not one story, but clearly there's a chronological order.

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    6. Rob, Jocke and I are right about "Darla" and "Fool for Love." When viewed together in that way, it feels like one story. Emotions are an important part of this viewing guide. Logically, you could come up with a lot of different ways to order episodes. But for me and my guide, the feeling, the emotions, and the dramatic weight as you experience both shows together is what will win out.

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  55. It doesn't seem like one episode at all. It's two distinct episodes with different themes and the climax with Spike doesn't have anything to do with Angel. You can choose to watch in either order, but it's arbitrary.

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    1. Viewers can watch the order of those episodes however they choose, but to simply repeat the same non-argument over and over again is hardly helping to make your point, Rob.

      If it is arbitrary for you, that is one thing. But for several people, this is not an arbitrary or random decision and it is annoying to have you attempt to invalidate the discussion altogether.

      From now on, any comments that do not contribute to our ongoing discussion in a constructive and substantive way will be removed. So everyone should avoid a dismissive and insulting tone if they want their comments to remain. Contribute. Don't detract.

      "Darla" and "Fool for Love" are some of the best episodes of the series. Depending on the order of how they are viewed together, subtle nuanced differences creep up to make the viewing feel distinctly from one another. If that's not the case for you, then good for you.

      I wrote an article on this topic and it's my final word on the matter: http://josswhedon.blogspot.com/2015/02/why-darla-is-better-watched-before-fool.html

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  56. It's not an attempt to invalidate it, it's a disagreement. I'm confused, are you asking me to explain my point better or is the only way i can't add something constructive to the crossover discussion is agree? I wasn't being dismissive at all. If it's coming off that way, that's not my intention. I thought I was contributing, but if you don't think so, then can you give me an idea of what you consider contributing?

    When I say it's arbitrary, I don't mean that as a pejorative, I mean that you can watch it in either order and I don't see a substantial difference in experience. It doesn't read as one story that begins in one episode and it's plot or themes are resolved in the next.

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    1. Rob, disagreement is fine, as is constructive disagreement. But simply adding comment after comment repeating your same points while ignoring the counterclaims being made and pretending they never happened is what I find lacking.

      Discussion usually involves adding something new and unique to each comment to further the conversation. You frequently post the same point over and over again after someone has made a valid point contradicting what you have said. Including things I have said.

      And you are wrong when you say Darla and Fool for Love are not one story. Because as I've explained (including in an article I've linked to you several times) if you watch it in the original airing order, "Fool for Love" first, then "Darla" second, then your argument that they don't feel like the same story rings true. But when viewed watching "Darla" first and "For for Love" second, then they in fact do FEEL LIKE one story.

      I don't think you've ever given my viewing order a chance by actually watching the episodes in that order, and because of that I find your arguments needlessly rude and combative.

      Because this is how this page works: take or leave my viewing order. If you have a good idea for a change, then make it. If you don't, then simply stating stuff about how the two shows BtVS and Angel aren't the same show, misses the whole point of this article to begin with.

      I've never insisted that Buffy and Angel don't stand on their own. What I've said is that both shows are better when viewed together.

      And when the episodes are arranged in certain ways, it creates certain effects in the minds of the viewers that add dramatic weight and significance to both shows. That improve both shows by the contrast.

      I've explained this in my article, but your insistence in fanning the flames of this debate means I'll repeat it here one final time:

      "Darla" and "Fool for Love" when viewed together feel like an experimental narrative feature film following certain common events from multiple points of view. This concept is explored in many films, but "Rashomon" is one of the most popular.

      But not only do these two episodes provide beautiful counterpoint to the points of view Angel and Spike, but also they establish a strong narrative about the seeming futility of mortal life and our attempts to find meaning and true love in existence can make one feel completely alone and alienated. Yet there is still something about love that persists in humans, even as vampires, that causes us to aspire for love anyway.

      "Darla" and "Fool for Love" form a dyad that is equivalent to a feature film for most people who watch them, particularly in the order I have recommended personally on this article.

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    2. The common theme these two episodes share, as I see it, is DEATH and LOVE that Darla is mortal once again and wants to live forever as a demon. And Buffy has demon-like powers and has a DEATH wish.

      And Darla has LOVE with Angel, or the closest version of love two vampires can feel for each other. And Darla wants to use that bond and connection as a means of coaxing Angel to destroy her mortal life by turning her back into an immortal demon.

      Buffy, meanwhile, has been sensing for a while that Spike is romantically drawn to her, and whether Buffy admits it or not, she is more than a little intrigued by the prospect. And when Buffy is almost killed in a nothing fight with a nobody, she decides to seek some answers from Spike, taking advantage of his feelings for her to help her get valuable information about the last battles Spike had with 2 previous slayers.

      Buffy is disturbed by the fact that Spike is right about her starting to develop a death wish. And she is freaked out by Spike directly attempting to kiss her. And Buffy is very patronizing and insulting to Spike as she spurns his advances.

      This treatment and her flat refusal of Spike echoing his rejection by Cecily during his mortality as William is enough to make him homicidal and he prepares to kill her. And he is stopped when he sees her crying and that part of him that is still William the Bloody takes over and you see clearly that he is in love with Buffy and he can't bring himself to hurt her, even though the demon part of him is desperate to do just that.

      And one fascinating theme that persists through both shows is the difficulty for single, powerful women to carve out a legitimate place for themselves in society.

      Darla became a prostitute to become a woman of property without marriage. And now the Slayers have a similar issue of being demon-killing machines that don't really seem to have lives that enable them to have conventional romantic relationships with men in a traditional sense, giving the slayers a sense of being societally ostracized too.

      Buffy's mother has a terminal illness most likely (as gauged by Buffy's reaction) and Darla had a terminal illness. And no matter what kind of life you have, you don't ever feel like you've had enough of it with the people you care about.

      This is a fraction of the reasons why I feel "Darla" should be viewed first and "Fool for Love" second. They were two different episodes written by two separate writers for two TV shows, but which were coordinated together behind-the-scenes by the authors to complement each other and provide a richer viewing experience when viewed together.

      This is not a message board or a forum. This isn't a reddit page. This is a viewing guide with limited comment space and I reserve to use the remainder of the comments for other constructive topics that will arise.

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    3. I assert my privilege as the administrator, moderator, and article author to refer all future dissent on this topic of the viewing order of "Darla" and "Fool for Love" to the comments section of my article dedicated to this topic, which you can find at the following address on my blog: http://josswhedon.blogspot.com/2015/02/why-darla-is-better-watched-before-fool.html

      I appreciate the fact that people feel passionately about this subject, but my decision has been made and the order will stand on my guide as it is. These episodes are so much better when viewed in this specified order that I have a hard time believing Rob, or anyone else disagreeing with the decision has even tried to watch it in my order.

      But whether you have or haven't tried watching it "Darla" => "Fool for Love," the closing arguments have been made and my judgment was rendered. The appeals process is now over. It will stay in this order. Whatever the original intentions of the writers / producers, the two episodes dramatically flow together perfectly in our new order.

      Jocke made some kind remarks agreeing with my decision earlier and Rob, you felt a need to stomp on him and me one more time. It ends here. People have the right to agree with me or disagree with me all they want, but if you disagree with me, do not troll the comments section of my article any longer with further objections. You have been allowed plenty of space on here to express your perspective and it is time to move on and make positive progress.

      My reasoning is logical, my conclusion is rational, and my decision is final. Any insinuations made to the contrary in this comment section will be deleted promptly. And yes, Jocke and other readers should be allowed to make nice and supportive comments on my own article without having to defend themselves to you, Rob.

      A constructive dialogue advances our common cause of finding an ideal way to watch together Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel. And any remarks that attempting to undermine the very concept of our endeavor here will be deleted.

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  57. This was never about getting you to change the order. I didn't stomp on anyone, I disagreed but you seem to think that my disagreement is the opposite of well-intentioned. I didn't name call or anything. That's my big issue is that you seem to think that my disagreement is meant as a knock or I'm making something personal and insulting someone. You don't seem to be looking for a constructive dialog. No matter how much I claim that none of this is done in anything other than in the spirit of good will, I don't foresee you taking this in the manner I mean it. I expressed my perspective without pejoratives, ad hominems, or any form of insult. I don't know how else I'm supposed to say it. I never stomped on you, I disagreed politely with Jocke's point that it the episodes were dependent on each other. Sure, it's a fuller experience if you watch both episodes together, just as Buffy and Angel are a much fuller experience if you watch both shows together. But Angel is a series designed to work without ever having seen Buffy. I truly believe in my heart of hearts that if you don't see Fool for Love without having seen Darla or vice versa, you won't be lost if you watch either episode. I'm unsure why you took that as me pouncing, but be that as it may, that wasn't what I was going for. You believe they work together as some experimental film, but I don't see it that way. I prefer much more direct stories that have one beginning, middle, and end. When I say it's not one story, I mean it in the literal sense. The stories compliment each other, but it's not one narrative split over two episodes like the recent crossover with The Flash and Arrow. Where the story begins in episode 1, then climaxes and resolves in episode 2. Spike's story and Darla's story intersect in some amazing ways and the episodes have great comparisons and contrasts, but they are literally two separate stories.

    Please don't take this as me trying to convince you to change your mind. For one, it never works. People rarely if ever change their opinions in a debate. This reply is only meant to hopefully show that we can disagree and discuss things in a polite way.

    Enough about these two episodes, I believe the last 4 episodes of Buffy should be watched together as they more or less pick up right where the last one left off. Angel does go straight from Connor's new house to Sunnydale to help, but I feel that both the last few episodes of Buffy and Angel season 4 work best when watched together for the narrative flow and not to match up timeline wise. I would apply the same reasoning to most of the seasons. For instance, the entire Pylea arc should be watched in one stretch, just as the last 4 episodes of Buffy season 5. I am especially of the belief that the end of Buffy season 6 needs to be watched together.

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    1. I disagree, Rob. I would not describe your tone as particularly polite, either. If anything, you come across as rather blunt and combative. And I disagree with your suggested changes and would like you to drop it.

      My viewing guide is a suggestion, not a command. People can watch the episodes however they like. But this guide represents what I feel provides the strongest dramatic impact on the audience while still interweaving Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel to make them feel like one complementary viewing experience.

      Rob, you clearly disagree philosophically with the entire purpose of my guide, and you constantly suggest that since both shows weren't written to be strictly codependent, that every effort I make to enhance the audience's viewing experience is meaningless.


      Your suggestions all involve intercutting less between Buffy and Angel. Therefore, I will not take your suggestions, since I am juxtaposing Buffy and Angel together whenever possible.

      I feel the Pylea Arc is stronger with a brief Buffy interlude on Cordelia discovering Lorne's decapitated head. Period. Never going to change it. It plays better that way as a jarring shock and sets up the stakes of Buffy's sacrifice in her segment of episodes beautifully.

      The only time I will ever play a long stretch of either Buffy or Angel episodes is either when the chronology absolutely demands it and/or if I feel there isn't a meaningful connection between any of those Buffy and Angel episodes.

      Rob, maybe your mind is never changed by discussion, but I actually listen and respond, and I've made numerous changes to my guide over the year because of reasoned debate and discussions. But when people act like assholes, I tell them to make their own list and leave mine alone.

      In your own viewing, you can do whatever makes you happy, Rob. But interweaving and juxtaposing Buffy and Angel episodes makes for a far more interesting and enriching viewing experience. I prefer it the way it is in all the sections you have suggested change.

      My guide is still a work in progress, and only the red episodes are the ones that absolutely have one hundred percent improvement in viewing in an exact order. All other non-red-highlighted episodes are suggestions for meaningful contrast and dramatically impactful storytelling dyads, as I see it.

      I am even willing to occasionally interrupt the flow of a story line that occurs all in one night, like in Angel Season 4, when the corresponding Buffy episodes complement the storytelling sufficiently to warrant a glimpse at the other show.

      Again, I have watched the two shows like this before and it opened my eyes to a lot of things and made re-watching the two shows far more interesting and entertaining than I had thought possible. And when I see a place for a meaningful way to contrast Buffy and Angel's parallel journeys, I jump at the opportunity to do so, no matter what.

      There are only a few places in the concurrent run of the two shows where cutting back and forth frequently between the two shows felt too jarring and where meaningful contrasts were more effective in broad strokes. I feel we have pinpointed those areas accurately, and I will not add more unless a compelling reason is explained.

      So Rob, I disagree with you. I will not make those changes. I do not feel the two shows need much room to breathe on their own.

      Both shows feel better to me when viewed together, contrasting one another beautifully whenever dramatically warranted, and since that is the whole purpose of my guide, any suggestions that doesn't contribute to the stated purpose of this guide will be ignored.

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    2. I did drop the issue. I'm not asking you to change the order. I'm not sure what phrases you consider impolite or combative, and I'm not sure how many other ways to say I'm not out to force anyone to change their opinion. I do like to get in discussions and well meaning debates. I've never thought it was a command to watch them in your order.

      "you clearly disagree philosophically with the entire purpose of my guide, and you constantly suggest that since both shows weren't written to be strictly codependent, that every effort I make to enhance the audience's viewing experience is meaningless." This is something I don't understand at all. I don't know where you got the idea that I disagree about the overall experience being better when watching Buffy and Angel together. As far as I can tell, we disagree the most as it pertains to FFL and Darla. Other than that, I love the guide. There are a few changes I might make to the overall order, but the reason I came to this site is because I love both shows and enjoy discussing the issue of what order to watch the episodes in with others. As to your point about juxtaposition, that's not my preference, but I like hearing your perspective as to why you change back and forth. I think there's been a breakdown in communication as I'm not suggesting watching Buffy all the way through then Angel or merely intercutting less. I agree that the first few episodes of Angel and Buffy season 4 can be switched back and forth as they are mostly stand alones, but I think there are specific instances where switching interrupts the story too much in the middle of the action. I hadn't taken into account your view about the contrast and juxtaposition, which i found genuinely interesting. I do go back and forth as well though in ways that differ from your list. I like the contrast in many ways as well, though in the case of something like the episodes after Tara is murdered and Willow goes dark, I'm of the mind that interrupting the flow of that story feels like stopping a movie midway through. There's also not that much contrast between the end of season 3 of Angel and season 6 of Buffy. They are amongst the darkest seasons of both shows so I don't think they are that big of a contrast except the endings. Angel's ends on a down note, whereas Buffy: season 6 ends hopefully and on a cliffhanger. Admittedly I watch the shows on DVD, so switching back and forth is more of a hassle, but I prefer watching the last four episodes of Angel: season 3, then the last 4 of Buffy season 6. That's just my preference.

      Do you watch the shows on Netflix or something? I watch them on DVD, which makes switching more of a hassle. And I'm not asking or demanding any changes, just putting out a friendly suggestion, not merely to you but to anyone who might read the comment section.

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    3. I have watched them on DVD and recently I've watched them on Netflix. So while I understand the frustrations of switching discs back and forth, it's nothing I haven't done in the past. And therefore, I do not regard viewing format for the purposes of this chronological viewing guide.

      I created this list to simply reflect what I feel is the strongest presentation of Buffy and Angel episodes to enhance the character development and parallel storytelling of both shows. Again, the shows might be separate entities, but they are also uniquely coordinated and I enjoy that aspect of their mutual storytelling.

      I'm particularly interested in parallel themes between Buffy and Anel episodes, so whenever possible, I like to go one Buffy episode, one Angel episode. I only depart from that model when the continuity demands it, or when there is a particularly strong dramatic reason to keep one show's episodes locked together.

      I feel both shows are inherently more interesting when viewed in tandem, and treated as two contiguous stories being advanced side by side. I tend to avoid viewing changes that would distract from preserving that illusion.

      Generally, I'm not looking for excuses to join multiple episodes together from one show. I'm much more interested in contrasting episodes from both shows. But when the unfolding narrative benefits a lot from keeping certain episodes together, I won't ignore that either. But it requires a compelling reason for me to do so.

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  58. I saw some scattered episodes of 'Buffy' for the 1st time in Oct 2015 on the FX channel; I was immediately engrossed. I soon realized I was missing the 1st 3 seasons, as well as some cool characters, such as Oz & Cordelia. Then I began to ponder: Where does 'Angel' fit into all of this? Does 'Angel' follow 'Buffy' or are they intertwined? So I Googled it and found this article. Now I am totally stoked for the Buffy/Angel experience (just finished Buffy season 1 last night). Thanks for putting this together.

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    1. Congratulations on discovering the BuffyVerse. Once you've gone through Buffy and Angel, I'd definitely recommend checking out Joss Whedon's Firefly and its sequal feature film Serenity. He's a great writer / director.

      I actually had a similar experience stumbling on Buffy re-runs on FX, too. That's how I first discovered the writing of Joss Whedon and it's seriously going to be an amazing ride ahead.

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  59. This is awesome! I'm beginning a full rewatch and this is going to be very helpful to navigate what I already knew was a sticky crossover web. I would love and easily printable version to hang on the wall. Is there one? Thank you!

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    1. There is a google docs version of it floating around, although you can just copy and paste the part you want on a word processor of your choice and the formatting should hold. You're welcome and enjoy!

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    2. Aww, no shiny poster with graphics ;-) That's ok, I'll copy/paste. Thanks again!

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    3. Yeah, unfortunately not yet. Maybe once I comb through the viewing order one more time in an attempt to finalize it, then I will make a final "shiny" version. And you're welcome!

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    4. This is fartastic, thank you !!! I love bangel

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  60. Can I ask what your reasoning is for having Disharmony inbetween The Body and Forever? First time viewer here. And the cute, quirky reentrance of Angel back into the club seemed to disconcert the emotional toll of Joyce's death. While that may be the point, I feel that The Body and Forever belong together. They tell two parts of the same story. The Body starts with Buffy coming to terms with Joyce's death and ends with Dawn doing the same. And Forever starts with Dawn grieving and ends with Buffy doing so. They're intertwined. And Angel's sidenote with Harmony makes no sense in that way anyway. I would suggest I Was Made to Love You/Epiphany/Disharmony/(possibly even Dead End)/The Body/Forever/Intervention or something to that effect.

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    1. The primary reason is because The Body is the dramatically weightiest moment of the show and it deserves some time to breathe afterwards. Simply pushing forward with the narrative after that major character death seemed like a mistake.

      It's better to take a break from that existentially bleak moment, catch up with Angel and coincidentally get the hook at the end of the Angel episode that directly leads to Angel returning to Sunnydale in the next Buffy episodes.

      Again, no one is telling anyone else how they need to watch these shows, but my guide was designed to help make crossovers such as this make more sense.

      I'm much more likely to fiddle around with the episode order when there is simply a reference about what is happening simultaneously in both shows. When there is a literal crossover, I absolutely believe in setting those up to make as much sense continuity-wise as possible.

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    2. But that's what I don't understand though. It makes no sense chronologically. The episode ends with Angel buying Cordy clothes. How does that segue into Angel heading to Sunnydale? And Cordy's conversation with Willow is also offputting. Willow tells her that Harmony is a vamp and that she's a lesbian in a typical chipper yet worried Willow fashion. But she doesn't mention Joyce's death at all? Or at least seem sad or distracted about it? It's odd.

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